Sorry for singling you out. I shouldn't have used you to make a point after you took the time to comment. Like I said, you're actually more involved than most people we know.

In the future I'm going to ask anyone commenting to keep things relevant to the specific post. Not all of this is entirely appropriate. I also enjoy helping people start their own blog, if that's something you're interested in.

I guess to demonstrate my main point, consider that I've been blogging about issues like this for a while now, and despite the fact I've known you almost my whole life this is the first time you've commented here. When I led a discussion on it in November I didn't see you out for that either.

It isn't just you. You're a lot more involved than most people I know. We could have had these conversations last year and been well along in the process of doing something more effective [I'll add that people like Mark Kuznicki could say the same thing about me, from their point of view; we've all missed opportunities, we can all do a little better].

But this isn't a post about the past, it's a post about the future.

Richard Colvin just volunteered for a full body scan, and the CEO of “Acme Universal Full Body Scan Equipment & Supplies Ltd” just padded his and his cronies wallets for a little while longer.

I’d like to believe you, and damn it all if it isn’t wishful thinking, but I think you’re giving this Harper character a little too much credit. Recall if you will the events that led up to the last prorogation. It was merely a card to be played to avoid a vote of confidence which had us on the precipice of an overthrow by a coalition who can rarely agree on how many sugars to put in the collective opposition coffee cup every morning, let alone gain power in a country on the verge of political collapse. Prorogation is unprecedented in modern parliamentary democratic history before Steve-O, and is an absolute kick in the teeth to the civilian populace from a leader who is clearly egoicially enamoured with his own position and power, and willing to abuse it at the cost of our own free institutions.

“The early decision to shut down Parliament was clearly to avoid the continuing scrutiny of a House of Commons committee over the mounting evidence of willful blindness by the Harper government over the transfer of Afghan detainees to a substantial risk of torture. This is potentially a war crime and one of the most serious allegations any government has faced in the history of Canada.” ( P. Mendes, professor of Constitutional Law, University Ottawa)

Hardly nerdy and complex. The microscope of the world will be on Vancouver and Canada in a short while here, and where will our elected officials be with their salaries, “gum under the table” benefits and fat bank accounts? Out of the hot seat scope with channel changer and latte firmly in grasp. Can you collect unemployment cheques during Prorogation? I wonder if Steve-O has put in the necessary hours required to start a claim…cause if he’s not going back to work as the head minister of the second largest country by area in the world, I’ve got a pretty complicated “logistics” position that I need filled.

Apart from sarcastic rants I simply can’t help myself with, this is some pretty piss poor timing if you ask me. Even though our political system isn’t perfect, it’s what we have to work with right now. The economy is a gigantic superfluous bubble waiting to burst, torture is occurring under Canadian positioned authorities both domestically within Corrections Canada and abroad within our contingent in Afghanistan, government as an infrastructural entity is yearning for accountability officers and pragmatic fiscal conservatism, while the people are being force fed the same old nepotistic, white collar criminal, “waste to maintain yearly budgets for next fiscal year”, broken down system that no one has the balls to seemingly tear asunder and rebuild. (Health Canada, Employment Insurance, Immigration, Corrections, to name a few at the top of the list.)

Wait though, you’re saying this is our chance? Right-o old boy let’s march! Because apart from all the talk and the politico-social babble that my senses are seemingly inundated with everyday, everywhere I go, this is what we’re all talking about isn’t it? This is where it gets serious and peoples lives are in hand. At what cost? Typing on a keyboard doesn’t change anything on the “Big, Nasty Hill of Industrial Revolution”. Is there a guarantor somewhere for a bloodless revolution? Cause if you know of one sign me up. And if you know how to oversee and conduct one please, by all means, lead the way. I’ll be right behind you.

The CHANGECAMP thing is great idea. Civilian roundtables have been at the heart of keeping Government’s and King’s in check for over 1000 years. Funny how I can seemingly connect to the vast majority of engaged citizen’s in the digital world relatively freely and instantaneously, yet I cannot get my Federal Member of Parliament to engage me on a human rights issue that ties in directly to the issue of torture at the hands of Canadians in positions of influence and power. (Bev Shipley’s office has still neglected to formally reply to me, and it has been almost eleven months.)

The difference is I am attempting to utilize the established and conventionally recognized form of civic engagement. My federal MP is supposed to be MY representative in Ottawa. That to me is the clearest sign that parliamentary democracy in Canada has become archaic, outdated and ineffective. The system simply, at it’s most basic levels, does not work in the best interest of the people, and arguably, as I get older and somewhat wiser (arguably hehe) it never really did. Not the way it should.

So I guess my point is in the disconnect. It’s fine and dandy to talk and write and convene and group and collectivise, but how do we actually get this done? We March. And what has history demonstrated to be what happens when one group wants to kick another group off the hill? Are we prepared to have that on our hands at our initiative? Isn’t that what some of the old boys want?

“…all Canadians must care about a minority government that undermines the fundamental democratic institutions of this country while also manipulating quasi-judicial tribunals and intimidating the public service from speaking truth to power. This abuse of executive power is tilting toward totalitarian government and away from the foundations of democracy and the rule of law on which this country was founded.” ( P. Mendes, professor of Constitutional Law, University Ottawa)

It is my belief right now that inaction is action. Defense before aggression. Dark will collapse on itself; if you lose yourself in the struggle what have you won? Nothing, and you’ve lost yourself in the process.

I can talk till I’m blue in the face, but can we gain the government and democracy the informed citizen’s of the 21st century deserve, and are electronically demanding, without moving our feet?

But you make a very good point that a lack of a focal point and articulation is a challenge at this point. Makes me think of recent events in Iran, where despite all of the passion swelling up they haven't been able to capitalize.

I think the first step is simply awareness — turning around the apathy you addressed in your post. Then educate people about the tools and practices available, and the groups like yours who are already advanced at using them to genuinely engage people beyond pushing a button on Facebook [not that people haven't been doing that, but our efforts still haven't resonated with the general public as well as it can now].

I think for it to get to that next level, we needed this episode and story to tell — though I'm not sure it needs to be a coherent and centralized movement to really work.

We're fortunate that our system is actually pretty good — and so are a lot of the people in it. Not all of them… but most have the potential to do a lot better.

If everyone feels responsible enough to move up one notch on the scale of informedness & engagement by the next election I think that's pretty good progress — as long as it keeps going from there.

Sorry for singling you out. I shouldn't have used you to make a point after you took the time to comment. Like I said, you're actually more involved than most people we know.

In the future I'm going to ask anyone commenting to keep things relevant to the specific post. Not all of this is entirely appropriate. I also enjoy helping people start their own blog, if that's something you're interested in.

I guess to demonstrate my main point, consider that I've been blogging about issues like this for a while now, and despite the fact I've known you almost my whole life this is the first time you've commented here. When I led a discussion on it in November I didn't see you out for that either.

It isn't just you. You're a lot more involved than most people I know. We could have had these conversations last year and been well along in the process of doing something more effective.

But this isn't a post about the past, it's a post about the future.

Richard Colvin just volunteered for a full body scan, and the CEO of “Acme Universal Full Body Scan Equipment & Supplies Ltd” just padded his and his cronies wallets for a little while longer.

I’d like to believe you, and damn it all if it isn’t wishful thinking, but I think you’re giving this Harper character a little too much credit. Recall if you will the events that led up to the last prorogation. It was merely a card to be played to avoid a vote of confidence which had us on the precipice of an overthrow by a coalition who can rarely agree on how many sugars to put in the collective opposition coffee cup every morning, let alone gain power in a country on the verge of political collapse. Prorogation is unprecedented in modern parliamentary democratic history before Steve-O, and is an absolute kick in the teeth to the civilian populace from a leader who is clearly egoicially enamoured with his own position and power, and willing to abuse it at the cost of our own free institutions.

“The early decision to shut down Parliament was clearly to avoid the continuing scrutiny of a House of Commons committee over the mounting evidence of willful blindness by the Harper government over the transfer of Afghan detainees to a substantial risk of torture. This is potentially a war crime and one of the most serious allegations any government has faced in the history of Canada.” ( P. Mendes, professor of Constitutional Law, University Ottawa)

Hardly nerdy and complex. The microscope of the world will be on Vancouver and Canada in a short while here, and where will our elected officials be with their salaries, “gum under the table” benefits and fat bank accounts? Out of the hot seat scope with channel changer and latte firmly in grasp. Can you collect unemployment cheques during Prorogation? I wonder if Steve-O has put in the necessary hours required to start a claim…cause if he’s not going back to work as the head minister of the second largest country by area in the world, I’ve got a pretty complicated “logistics” position that I need filled.

Apart from sarcastic rants I simply can’t help myself with, this is some pretty piss poor timing if you ask me. Even though our political system isn’t perfect, it’s what we have to work with right now. The economy is a gigantic superfluous bubble waiting to burst, torture is occurring under Canadian positioned authorities both domestically within Corrections Canada and abroad within our contingent in Afghanistan, government as an infrastructural entity is yearning for accountability officers and pragmatic fiscal conservatism, while the people are being force fed the same old nepotistic, white collar criminal, “waste to maintain yearly budgets for next fiscal year”, broken down system that no one has the balls to seemingly tear asunder and rebuild. (Health Canada, Employment Insurance, Immigration, Corrections, to name a few at the top of the list.)

Wait though, you’re saying this is our chance? Right-o old boy let’s march! Because apart from all the talk and the politico-social babble that my senses are seemingly inundated with everyday, everywhere I go, this is what we’re all talking about isn’t it? This is where it gets serious and peoples lives are in hand. At what cost? Typing on a keyboard doesn’t change anything on the “Big, Nasty Hill of Industrial Revolution”. Is there a guarantor somewhere for a bloodless revolution? Cause if you know of one sign me up. And if you know how to oversee and conduct one please, by all means, lead the way. I’ll be right behind you.

The CHANGECAMP thing is great idea. Civilian roundtables have been at the heart of keeping Government’s and King’s in check for over 1000 years. Funny how I can seemingly connect to the vast majority of engaged citizen’s in the digital world relatively freely and instantaneously, yet I cannot get my Federal Member of Parliament to engage me on a human rights issue that ties in directly to the issue of torture at the hands of Canadians in positions of influence and power. (Bev Shipley’s office has still neglected to formally reply to me, and it has been almost eleven months.)

The difference is I am attempting to utilize the established and conventionally recognized form of civic engagement. My federal MP is supposed to be MY representative in Ottawa. That to me is the clearest sign that parliamentary democracy in Canada has become archaic, outdated and ineffective. The system simply, at it’s most basic levels, does not work in the best interest of the people, and arguably, as I get older and somewhat wiser (arguably hehe) it never really did. Not the way it should.

So I guess my point is in the disconnect. It’s fine and dandy to talk and write and convene and group and collectivise, but how do we actually get this done? We March. And what has history demonstrated to be what happens when one group wants to kick another group off the hill? Are we prepared to have that on our hands at our initiative? Isn’t that what some of the old boys want?

“…all Canadians must care about a minority government that undermines the fundamental democratic institutions of this country while also manipulating quasi-judicial tribunals and intimidating the public service from speaking truth to power. This abuse of executive power is tilting toward totalitarian government and away from the foundations of democracy and the rule of law on which this country was founded.” ( P. Mendes, professor of Constitutional Law, University Ottawa)

It is my belief right now that inaction is action. Defense before aggression. Dark will collapse on itself; if you lose yourself in the struggle what have you won? Nothing, and you’ve lost yourself in the process.

I can talk till I’m blue in the face, but can we gain the government and democracy the informed citizen’s of the 21st century deserve, and are electronically demanding, without moving our feet?

But you make a very good point that a lack of focus, polish and articulation is a challenge at this point. Makes me think of recent events in Iran, where despite all of the passion swelling up they haven't been able to capitalize.

I think the first step is simply awareness — turning around the apathy you addressed in your post. Then educate people about the tools and practices available, and the groups like yours who are already advanced at using them to genuinely engage people beyond pushing a button on Facebook [not that people haven't been doing that, but our efforts still haven't resonated with the general public as well as it can now].

I think for it to get to that next level, we needed this episode and story to tell — though I'm not sure it needs to be a coherent and centralized movement to really work.

We're fortunate that our system is actually pretty good — and so are a lot of the people in it. Not all of them… but most have the potential to do a lot better.

If everyone feels responsible enough to move up one notch on the scale of informedness & engagement by the next election I think that's pretty good progress — as long as it keeps going from there.

While I can understand the oppositions desire to take this turn of events and run with it for their own benefit, I hope the broader citizenry, can look past that and start to clamor for real representation.

But how can the movement come together and say, as you rightly point out, a pox on both your houses. The Chretien Liberals started us down this road, the Martin Liberals used their knives to grab that power and then they screwed it up and handed it over to the Harper Conservatives. The Ignatieff Liberals have been unable to engage the imaginations of Canadians, even those who want to support them. The NDP-Lib-Bloc coalition was seen by Canadians as an undeserving inheritor of this highly centralized power that's been concentrated in the Prime Minister.

We need a new centre of power. We need, as you describe, a new axis to tilt. But the challenge is that this is a movement with no centre, no clearly articulated over-arching ideology and no single TV-friendly leader. So how, exactly, will this movement take advantage of this moment?

I'm not sure. But this dialogue is a start. Thank you.